Saturday, August 8, 2020

zombies

Zombies are hypothetical creatures which are functionally identical to us, but they lack qualia altogether. If they are possible, functionalism can’t be right. If such possibilities are conceivable, perhaps it means that functionalism is at least conceivably wrong.

There are a few senses in which zombies can be functionally identical to us. Suppose we merely mean they can refer to and act on the same objects in the world like we do. Then sure some robot-like creatures can interact with objects in the world without being conscious.

But if we mean that they are functionally fully identical to us, as in the whole mental algorithm is consistent with what we have, then we should recognize that they can’t be coherently conceived to be nonconscious. Such ‘zombies’ will know what it is like to have certain experiences. They can tell you scarlet is a bit like crimson, not much like pink or purple, etc, from a subjective point of view. This means, if you ask them if there is something it is like to see colors, they will truthfully say yes, for the same reasons we do. On the other hand, if you ask them what it is like to experience some subthreshold firing of neurons in the visual cortex, it should draw a blank. And this would not be merely because they don’t know enough about neuroscience. Even if you actually stimulate their visual cortices that way, they still wouldn’t know what you were talking about. In this sense, they are just like us.

Of course, the anti-functionalist can say that they only behave or talk as if they consciously see. But how else do you know if anyone is conscious, besides their expressing that they think so and your lack of reason to doubt that they are lying or deluded? 

Let’s say we have some Martians, who truthfully agree with us that there is something it is like to see red and other colors. And yet, when asked what it is like to smell, it draws a blank. If odors could nevertheless influence their behavior, we probably would think that they have olfactory processing. In that case, what else apart from consciousness can account for the difference between their vision and olfaction? According to them, in one modality, there is something it is like, and in the other, there isn’t. If they aren’t lying or crazy, what else is the difference?

This is to say, if a creature is capable of thinking meaningfully whether there is something it is like to have a certain experience, then whether the creature is inclined to truthfully think so is the truth of the matter. As such, zombies in a fully functional sense are simply not coherently conceivable. Either they truthfully think there is something it is like to have some experiences, in which case they aren’t zombies; or they do not think so, in which case they are not functionally like us at all.

[this literature is vast and mine will never be the last words, of coz. hence this is a blogpost not a paper. my goal is just to hopefully convince some of my scientist colleagues that some functionalist defense is possible, and it needn't be overly complicated.]

4 comments:

  1. Good grief, let's stop with both the zombies and the martians. Ned Block started the whole zombie thing with his totally absurd critique of Julian Jaynes and then Dennett pulled out the martian nonsense started by Minsky and now we have philosophical mind games trying to describe science! Boggles the mind. Whiy not just define what consciousness is not and then start talking about what it is using scientific descriptions rather than philosophic thought experiments? Oh yeah, that's what Jaynes did and he was a kook.

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  2. "Of course, the anti-functionalist can say that they only behave or talk as if they consciously see. But how else do you know if anyone is conscious, besides their expressing that they think so and your lack of reason to doubt that they are lying or deluded?"

    Consciousness (from a metaphysical perspective) doesn't have any "levels" or "points" that show whether or not someone is conscious.

    I've always compared consciousness to a color palette in this sense. When does red really turn into orange? In the same sense, when does the unconscious become conscious? It can be hard to answer this question unless the color palette is *really* in the red or *really* in the orange!

    Of course, I must go against EEProof's comment suggesting that those who engage in philosophic thought experiments rather than scientific descriptions are "kooks," because at the end of the day, conscious is what you define it to be.

    If we take two people who both have the same brain, eyes, chemical fluctuations, etc and stand them side-by-side, they can both be conscious, neither be conscious, or one is conscious and one is not depending on our definition.

    If we define consciousness at the biological level, and if both of these people are both healthy and strong, then both of them are conscious.

    If we define consciousness as a metaphysical phenomena, and if one of them meditates every day while the other does not, then one will be more conscious than the other.

    Etc...

    It doesn't matter whether or not we know others are conscious - once we define what it is for ourselves, we can live by that definition and use it to better our lives in every way possible! :)

    -Gabriel

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    1. I believe you mischaracterized my thought as I certainly did not suggest that "that those who engage in philosophic thought experiments rather than scientific descriptions are "kooks." I was referring to what many have labelled Julian Jaynes and was doing so facetiously. I simply side with Wittgenstein and agree with him that there are no philosophical problems, only puzzles. One of the greatest puzzles is why philosophers continue to debate human consciousness.

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